After a series of expletives, Mr. Basciano replied: "I know exactly what happened there, but I gave the order".
This brief exchange of a secretly recorded conversation between the two men in the area of leisure of a Brooklyn prison, in January 2005 is important for two reasons.
It is more direct commentary from Mr. Basciano about involvement in the murder of Randolph Pizzolo, for which he is now at his trial.
It is also an example, through the use of the "clip" of the sudden, esoteric language expression of the crowd. The two conversations between the former Bonanno crime family leaders who have played in the Brooklyn Federal District Court on Wednesday were littered with phrases shorthand and code that can puzzle the public secular, but it seemed natural to Mr Massino.
Clip. Bustier. Band. Brokester. Chase. All part of the language vernacular underworld.
In one case, Taryn a. Merkl, a Federal Prosecutor, asked Mr. Massino what he meant when he said for the record, "Vic, Vic was a bustier," referring to the former investigator for Mr. Massino.
"It was a bustier," replied Mr. Massino.
"What you found on this subject?" she pressed further.
"It was a bustier," Mr. repeated Massino.
Mr. Massino, the first official boss of a family of New York crime to flip and testify as a witness, agreed to cooperate to avoid facing them an eighth of the death penalty for murder. (He had already been found guilty of seven other.) Instead, he pleaded guilty in 2005 and was sentenced to two consecutive terms of life.
He spent much of Wednesday explaining the terminology and the context of the conversations he secretly recorded for the federal authorities. But the substance of what was said could help and harm to the prosecution.
On the tape, Mr. Basciano, a former boss of acting Bonanno serving a life sentence for murder and racketeering in another case, has admitted it has been on the agenda of "clip" ("it is to kill someone", Mr. explained Massino) Mr. Pizzolo.
But he also stated later in the recorded conversation that he had nothing to do with the murder.
After Mr. Massino told Mr. Basciano that he wanted not to be blamed for murder of Mr. Pizzolo, Mr. Basciano said: "we did not do so.".
Subsequently, Mr. Basciano said an another Bonanno acting boss Michael Mancuso - what he calls Michael Nose - ordered the hit on Mr. Pizzolo, who was found murdered in Brooklyn in December 2004.
"This is not me," said Mr. Basciano. "You know what I say."
Even this semblance cleaning of hands was, according to Mr. Massino, a different meaning in the underworld.
"It was not him, but it was him,", said Mr. Massino how he interpreted the statement by Mr. Basciano.
To say how he would have treated Mr. Pizzolo - including Mr. Basciano derided the tape as boring, stupid and with a number of secular terms - Mr. Massino used another term mob, "hunt".
"I tell you, 'Get of here,'" explained Mr. Massino.
At another time of the conversation, Mr. Massino called Nicky Santora, an underboss Bonanno, a "brokester". He said this meant he "Ain't got of money," would be borrowing from people and "forgets just to pay."
The conversation also shed light on a show of loyalty to the family. The two men discussed on the band which, after Mr. Massino, had been sent to prison, Mr. Basciano sent his wife $50,000 in a bottle of Champagne Dom Pérignon so that she had no money to support herself.
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